Emma's art in a gallery show?

[allego]

The work of Emma Watson in a gallery show?

"At work a girl left her camera and I was absently looking through her photos (because I am a horrible person) and ran across some of Emma. Seems like the two (and some others) were working on a paper dress (which was pretty, but unoriginal) for a gallery show. Emma seemed very happy. Dressed casually (leggings and the like), but cute as always. Wonderful skin.
Part of me wanted to post them, but that is such a deep level of privacy invasion. I think we should attempt to stray from those type of postings.

As for the gallery show, my friend went to it and spoke to Emma about art. The show was small. As for Emma's art, the only comment I really got out of him was that it wasn't very good. But we do go to RISD, so our standards are very very skewed. I wish I could have seen her work for myself."

Source

Ok, so someone post this on the fashion spot forum. Over the stalking part, I'm really curious about this exposition (to know what it is about, and what the paper dress as to do with it, ect...) but I can't find any information about it.

So can someone able to go on the fashion spot forum ask for the name of the exposition to this person ?

This would be great.

[Dobby]

The poster lives in California, how did she get a hold of a camera with pictures of Emma?

Anyhow, I'm really curious about the dress...

[allego]

She might have her familly home in California and go to RISD (where we already know Emma does some classes as Brown student in art have some classes with them) in RI. I personnaly live far from my uni, but most of the time, I still put my family home city when the whole adress is not necessary.

[demi]

I had to look up RISD, I didn't know what it stands for. Is it a good school? I've never heard of it.

But we do go to RISD, so our standards are very very skewed.

So because you are a student in an art school your opinion is somehow more strict and particular? Dude relax, you're a freakin' student, not an artist exhibiting work on the Tate gallery! You're entitled to your opinion, but as for it being 'very very skewed' because you're going to an art school, let me have my doubts about that.

Not to say that Emma can do no wrong, just the attitude of this poster ticked me the wrong way.

[allego]

Actually, when your at a really good school in a subject, you can have a better level, especially in art. Especially because they only do that art : when Emma also (and mainly) does litterature.

And actually, the poster says : my friend said that Emma's art wasn't really good, but it doesn't meen a lot as his standards are one of a student who is really critical in art, working only on it and having professor who certainly have really high standards.

It's nothing pretencious, and rather objective.

[SwornObssessor]

Yea, I'm a design major at a non art school, but if I went to an art school, like RISD I would think people that go to my school STINK at design...haha....Art is different from other things XD

[demi]

Actually, I find art one of the most non-objective things in this world, but that's just my opinion.

Well, I studied Neuroscience at UK's best uni along with Cambridge (Imperial College, that is) but that doesn't mean I am entitled to a stricter opinion of other works in the same field. A more informed, maybe, but stricter? It's ridiculous.

It's like this: if this person's opinion is 'skewed' just because she's a student in an art school, then what would her opinion be if he/she was already a 'made' artist, well-known and respected? Completely closed? Honestly.

[germaican]

Nov 8, 2009 15:36:49 GMT -5 demi said:

Actually, I find art one of the most non-objective things in this world, but that's just my opinion.

Well, I studied Neuroscience at UK's best uni along with Cambridge (Imperial College, that is) but that doesn't mean I am entitled to a stricter opinion of other works in the same field. A more informed, maybe, but stricter? It's ridiculous.

It's like this: if this person's opinion is 'skewed' just because she's a student in an art school, then what would her opinion be if he/she was already a 'made' artist, well-known and respected? Completely closed? Honestly.

I think you misconstrued "skewed" as "strict". It's not about having a more strict, closed off opinion because they're full of themselves, it's about having a more enlightened view due to an investment in the subject and experience in the area (which is not to say that they are "better" or that their opinion is more valid). So when they said their views may be skewed, it's probably because they've invested so much into learning about art, that maybe they are over-thinking it. For example, a fashion designer may have a skewed view on fashion because of their investment in it, while I (a regular Joe) may have different views on what's good and bad.

I don't mean this in a nasty way at all but I think you're overreacting to their comment because Emma's work wasn't well received (by one person). Emma isn't perfect at everything and that's OK.

[SwornObssessor]

Nov 8, 2009 17:14:48 GMT -5 germaican said:

I think you misconstrued "skewed" as "strict". It's not about having a more strict, closed off opinion because they're full of themselves, it's about having a more enlightened view due to an investment in the subject and experience in the area (which is not to say that they are "better" or that their opinion is more valid). So when they said their views may be skewed, it's probably because they've invested so much into learning about art, that maybe they are over-thinking it. For example, a fashion designer may have a skewed view on fashion because of their investment in it, while I (a regular Joe) may have different views on what's good and bad.

Exactly! haha

[allego]

Nov 8, 2009 17:14:48 GMT -5 germaican said:

Nov 8, 2009 15:36:49 GMT -5 demi said:

Actually, I find art one of the most non-objective things in this world, but that's just my opinion.

Well, I studied Neuroscience at UK's best uni along with Cambridge (Imperial College, that is) but that doesn't mean I am entitled to a stricter opinion of other works in the same field. A more informed, maybe, but stricter? It's ridiculous.

It's like this: if this person's opinion is 'skewed' just because she's a student in an art school, then what would her opinion be if he/she was already a 'made' artist, well-known and respected? Completely closed? Honestly.

I think you misconstrued "skewed" as "strict". It's not about having a more strict, closed off opinion because they're full of themselves, it's about having a more enlightened view due to an investment in the subject and experience in the area (which is not to say that they are "better" or that their opinion is more valid). So when they said their views may be skewed, it's probably because they've invested so much into learning about art, that maybe they are over-thinking it. For example, a fashion designer may have a skewed view on fashion because of their investment in it, while I (a regular Joe) may have different views on what's good and bad.

I don't mean this in a nasty way at all but I think you're overreacting to their comment because Emma's work wasn't well received (by one person). Emma isn't perfect at everything and that's OK.

I agree with germaican : your wrong about that demi. Not really about the bad comment about Emma's art, but about the way you consider the opinion of this person and his domain.

You try to compare sciences and art, but you did it wrong : in science, as you know, we don't care a lot about someone saying the scientific job we do on something is good or wrong. The only critic is the scientific theory that prove that ours is wrong (or it's absence). And the guy who gives it can be anyone, we don't really care.

Sorry, it's badly said : let's say that what judge a scientist and his ability to do a good or a bad job is science. If we do something wrong, someone will, a day or another, be able to say it's wrong. If we do something right, well, it won't happen.

But art, it's nothing exact. It depend on the person who see it, the cultural middle where you do it. For exemple, Picasso wasn't known till is death because his art, when he did it, wasn't understood. Then, one day, it happened that everyone saw in it something tremendous, and no one will doubt about that now. So this is something no one studying or working in art will really judge.

A student in art will work to learn the technical. And I promise you, it's a really a hard work to do. There is like hundreds of rules, just like in sciences (I live near a art university and some are friends of mine, it's really hard work they have to do) but it doesn't depend of these rules in this exact way we have in sciences : no, it depends of the way you interpret these rules.

And this is what a student who spend hours studiing other great artists of the history, great revolution of the art, and have to see each little differences between them, this is what a student who work in a good school in art is suppose to see. Because he learn that.

If you still don't see it, lets take one of those guy whose job is to tast wine (sorry, very french of me). They'll see that this particular wine from 2006 is better than the 2005 when I will only taste two good wins. Because the guy worked his tast and his nose the same way the artist work his eye. Because in art, the only judge is other poeples and the better judge is the one who got the better eye.

Not like sciences where there is no judge. Only right conjectures, and wrong ones.

[arwen]

Art is like anything else - completely subjective. One person's Da Vinci is another person's tower of sponges. It sounds like this person was being overly critical - possibly because of who Emma is. I think that without having seen the art ourselves its all hearsay. We've seen some of Emma's designs before - the plate, the jacket etc. - and while I can see what she was going for it isn't necessarily my taste - that doesn't mean she isn't talented though it may just be that this individual didn't like what he saw.

[allego]

I don't like the way Agyness Deyn dress, I still think she have a great sens of fashion.

If you just have a cynical look and think all the poeple are unobjective, I understand your point.

Personnally, I don't really see reasons why this guy would want to be badly critical, so I think he is objective. I still won't judge Emma's art without really seeing it, but since then, I don't see why we would doubt the word of this poor guy.

Even more since it doesn't really mean that Emma art is bad, but that it is not really good for a RISD level.

So, no one have an acount on TFS to ask to this girl the name of the exposition ?

[Dobby]

nope

[Dessi]

Nice discussion you're having

Of course Emma's not perfect in everything, and she might not be in art. We've only seen a few pieces of her art work, such as the Christmas and the Unicef cards (http://watsondaily.free.fr/photos/displayimage.php?album=184&pos=0), the paintings for Kith and Kids (http://emmaw.net/emma/artwork.php) and the plan of drawings in her website. Although Emma can be very impassionate at (in/of, whatever) art, it doesn't mean she's good at this, and this gallery show might be something small, something for fun, experimenting or also that has to do with some project for college, why not!

I agree that if you are studying art and even more you've got a good level, you are therefore going to have a more critical view and of course you will have all the required arguments to judge whether that is good or absolutely crap. But that doesn't mean anyway that you're right; because as some said, no body can be right about anything because we're humans and we're subjective beings, so what is heaven for some might be hell for some other

Anyway, I hope we get to see some of this so we can judge it ourselves.

[Cate]

With art you really can't that' good and that' not. I mean in art society it's all about you're image as an artist.
I personally think that Art is good if it helped the artist to express or handle his or her feelngs or if the artist saw something that noone else sees or expects and is able to meke it viible to the viewer.